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Right now, I'm thinking of playing off [livejournal.com profile] silverstah's idea and make the linen into a Neapolitian Jacket (rather than an Elizabethan. I'm getting the red wool for that). I only have 3 yards of the trim which is just enough to line the opening of the hanging sleeves. I can line it with some orangy linen I still have, or at least line the sleeves with it. This will be a summer (Pennsic?) jacket. This with one of the high bust styles shown by Caravaggio should be nice for the summer weather...

Unless anyone else has ideas?

Date: 2008-07-07 01:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] silverstah.livejournal.com
Ooooh, I think that's a lovely idea - and it should go very nicely with all the Italian stuff you've been doing. YAY!

Date: 2008-07-07 04:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] isabelladangelo.livejournal.com
:-) It shouldn't take very long. I might have time before Pennsic to do it but it all depends on what I get done this week.

I keep switching between Italian and English. This is why I have three tudor gowns, two pairs of bodies, three skirts ...err...petticoats, and almost an Italian dress for every decade of the 16th c ...plus a few more...

Date: 2008-07-07 02:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jennylafleur.livejournal.com
I second the "ooh pretty"! :> That looks like fun I think.

Date: 2008-07-07 04:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] isabelladangelo.livejournal.com
Thanks! Hopefully, I'll get to it before August. That way, I can wear it to Pennsic and have a good, nice, period summer jacket.

Date: 2008-07-07 09:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pepperbeast.livejournal.com
Going by the way the skirt hangs-- with the gathers/pleats radiating outwards rather than hanging straight down-- I'm not sure that that _is_ a jacket. I think it might be a dress bodice.

Date: 2008-07-07 09:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] isabelladangelo.livejournal.com
The green jacket with the purple skirt? You can see the jacket "flare" out in the back, showing it as a separate piece. Given that it isn't fitted at the top, and the basic shape, it looks like a short surcote to me.

Date: 2008-07-07 09:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pepperbeast.livejournal.com
Ah, you mean the Dutch cloaks/capotti! I have one of those, and they're very practical-- though I'm not sure I'd make one out of linen, since linen doesn't afford much protection from the weather. You mentioned a "high bust" style, so I assumed you meant the doublet-type jacket.

Date: 2008-07-07 10:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] isabelladangelo.livejournal.com
Oh no! I was talking about a dress underneath the jacket. The dress in the picture is really low waisted anyway. I want to make one someday but right now, I'm stickin with the high bust style (http://www.oceanru.com/magdalene/Penitent_Magdalene_Caravaggio.jpg) that starts and ends the 16th c Italian.

This is for the summer only and meant only as something to wear around at night or during the early fall. Given that Naples is warm (if not down right hot!) most of the year, I think linen should be okay.

Dutch cloak? I've mostly seen this style, starting in 1570's, in Naples. The lengths always vary in the depictions of Neapolitan dress but I don't recall seeing it in any of the northern countries of Europe around this time. Do you have any picture links?

Date: 2008-07-07 10:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pepperbeast.livejournal.com
"Dutch cloak" is a fairly common English term for a garment similar to a short cloak or cassock. In Italian, it's usually called a capotto. It may be a descendant of the schaube.

It certainly appears before the 1570s. There are several in the wardrobe accounts of Eleanora of Toledo, for example.

Katerina da Brescia has some information about the capotto.
http://katerina.purplefiles.net/garb/diaries/Kats%20Dutch%20Cloak.html

And I've found this page on late-period outerwear extremely helpful. http://www.employees.org/~cathy/cote_body.html

Date: 2008-07-07 10:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] isabelladangelo.livejournal.com
Ah, cool! Thank you!

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