Just curious
Sep. 21st, 2009 08:53 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
This is something I've noticed a lot in the past but it seems to have gotten worse this year. That is women "displaying" themselves. It has gotten to the point where I found out (and have overheard many times) that some mundanes are refusing to come back until the faire kicks out those that aren't covered up. I realize this tends to be a firey topic (for my faire going friends. Not so much for the H/A ladies and gentlemen) but I also know that no one wants to see any faire close because a few playtrons have in there minds to take their hedonism to a level that interrupts the enjoyment of faire for other people. Let's face it, for most faires, if only the people in garb showed up, they'd close in a weekend. It's the mundanes, that come to see the majesty of it all, that tend to keep these places running.
I've told the people I know who have refused to come back to faire with me because of the inappropriateness of dress to write to the faire and demand that they have people either buy a t-shirt to cover up or go home.
My questions are: have other people noticed an increase in inappropriate dress/behavior this year? And have you had problems with mundanes not wanting to come because of a bad incident (either garb or language related)?
I've told the people I know who have refused to come back to faire with me because of the inappropriateness of dress to write to the faire and demand that they have people either buy a t-shirt to cover up or go home.
My questions are: have other people noticed an increase in inappropriate dress/behavior this year? And have you had problems with mundanes not wanting to come because of a bad incident (either garb or language related)?
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Date: 2009-09-22 01:10 am (UTC)We have a guild of barbarians, dressed in minimal "clothing" (leather loincloth and capes) that are at some events. That's about as undressed as I've seen, except for the occasional chain mail bikini wearing women.
The worst offense I have witnessed had to do with a blacksmith vendor standing naked getting blown by some woman just at the end of a faire in full view of anyone who cared to look their way. This was some years back, and yes it was reported (I was on the faire board), he may have been arrested (the park of the faire is literally next door to the police dept), and yes, he never was invited back to that faire (or any other I know of) again.
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Date: 2009-09-22 02:38 am (UTC)While I can't swear this has never happened at an event, I honestly don't think it's happened where uninvolved people could see it.
This just staggers me.
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Date: 2009-09-22 05:46 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-09-22 10:34 am (UTC)I've also hear of a case of "wardrobe" malfunction or three where even the top wasn't there.
I *think* they've stopped the barbarians now from coming in and demanded they get dressed. The clothing rules changed this year. It had gotten bad. Some people just don't get the concept that you need more fabric to cover yourself than your three year old does.
One of the other complaints I've been hearing is one that
Also, one of the shows is just plain offensive. It's rated pg, I think but it's very anti-Catholic and it has nothing to do with Henry VIII. (aka, one of the court shows where, yeah, Henry might say something against the Pope or something like that at the time)
There has just been enough feedback I've been getting from a rather large group of people now that say they won't come back that I'm starting to get curious as to whether it's just the people I tend to be around or if it really has gotten worse.
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Date: 2009-09-22 12:43 pm (UTC)You've seen what I wear. That's about as racy as I get.
Catch me next time you're at faire and tell me which show it is. I can't place one that makes anti-Catholic jokes but truthfully I've rather gotten off of most of the shows anyway. I watch The Pirates and The Pretty French Boys (very G rated in the latter case) and that's truthfully about it.
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Date: 2009-09-22 02:12 pm (UTC)Yeah, I don't think you are bad. I'm thinking it's the "you ain't hidin' nothin' up top" ones that people are getting worried about. I've also seen some guy feeling up some random girl right in front of one of the booths. I yelled at them because I was cranky on Sunday and they did stop but it's like no one can *think* outside their own world anymore.
It's the Witch Trial one. I've only heard blurps from it and each time it's either a) modern political jokes or b) Catholic bashing. Either way, it's not appropriate for the Renaissance faire.
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Date: 2009-09-22 02:16 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-09-22 03:38 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2009-09-23 12:43 am (UTC)As to things getting worse, I guess it depends on the area and faire in question. My area, the stuff you've mentioned is sadly the norm, usually among patrons, not the faire folk who do tend to stay more covered (except that barbarian guild). Our belly dancers now wear a lot less (different group then the original Ottomans who know historical clothing covered them up a lot more). The shows are all pretty raunchy, including very colorful commentary. But I've yet to hear political rants or anything anti-religion, since we are in a conservative area in general. The adults love them, and we warn families with kids that they are indeed PG13 or worse. We also have a lot of guilds who do G rated shows, including having time with the Monarch where we hand out coloring posters and little ribbon favors.
And wardrobe malfunctions around here happen. Usually we tell the people, and only once has the woman not cared that I know of. As to the mounds of fat under sheer bodices... if the actors want to dress as whores, the other actors will treat them as whores... verbally that is. We don't touch, but we do comment. If they are patrons... not much we can do about that, so long as they aren't breaking laws.
And there is a reason my kids still don't go to faires. I might enjoy the bawdy, but they are too young.